At this special live event to mark the launch of the new issue of Australian Foreign Affairs, an expert panel puts Australia’s relationship with China under the microscope – from the economy to national security, and beyond.

In this special mid-week fry-up of Democracy Sausage, we bring you a live recording of the launch of the new issue of Australian Foreign AffairsChina Dependence. The event features an outstanding panel of Honorary Professor Allan Gyngell, Associate Professor Margaret Simons, David Uren, and Associate Professor Jane Golley, and is moderated by Mark Kenny. The panel look at how to overcome the current ‘deep freeze’ in relations, how universities are responding to ever-growing numbers of Chinese students, and whether Australia could ever afford to decouple from China.

This event was recorded live at Crawford School of Public Policy on 12 November.

Allan Gyngell is National President of the Australian Institute of International Affairs, is an Honorary Professor at The Australian National University, and was recently Director of the ANU Crawford Leadership Forum.

Jane Golley is an economist, Associate Professor, and Director of the Australian Centre on China in the World at The Australian National University.

David Uren is a writer on economics and former Associate Editor of The Australian. He has more than 30 years’ reporting experience and is a former editor of Business Review Weekly.

Margaret Simons is an award-winning freelance journalist and author and Associate Professor of Journalism at Monash University.

Mark Kenny is a Senior Fellow in the ANU Australian Studies Institute. He came to the university after a high-profile journalistic career including six years as chief political correspondent and national affairs editor for The Sydney Morning HeraldThe Age, and The Canberra Times.

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